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    The wind is howling here in the Dena today. Any thoughts I had of going out in my kayak ended when I saw the trees in my backyard bending near their breaking point at first light. So here I sit at the keyboard – even though there is much to do around the house. And I got to thinking about the recent Torqeedo thread here and I wondered how many true paddlers we have left on this forum.

    When I first joined Snaggedline the term “going to the dark side” was frequently used to identify a paddler who bought a pedal kayak. That was deemed to be the quantum leap in kayak angling. Now we have electric motors entering the scene.

    Whatever gets you on the water and keeps you there is good in my opinion.

    I started on the “dark side”. My first kayak was a 2012 Hobie Revo, which I updated to a 2018 version. Revos are great boats. Mine is a missile on the water and light enough to transport easily on land. However, an odd thing is happening to my kayak angling. I started paddling. And guess what? I like to paddle. I use my paddle boats 4 to 5 times more frequently than my Revo, even taking my paddle kayaks to tidal sites where I formerly would only take my Revo. Indeed, my Revo has essentially become a backup kayak.

    I think what appeals most to me about paddling is the simplicity of it. I need no mechanical intervention to propel my boat. No gears, no chains, no batteries, no motors, no mechanical device to carry to the launch – just a paddle that weighs about a pound and half.

    Nor do I feel hindered by the reduced range of my paddle trips. If anything I find it more challenging and satisfying, a greater test of my skills to find fish in a limited area.

    I liken a paddling trip as a nice drive on country roads. In my Revo, I’m tempted to venture far and fast, like driving on I-95. Definitely paddling is more relaxing for me.

    So, just wondering: Do we have dedicated paddlers who will never go to the “dark side”. Do we have folks who have tested mechanical propulsion and come back to paddles? Do we have folks who will never again paddle? Is pedaling/electric propulsion just a natural evolution for kayak anglers?
    Mark
    Pasadena, MD


    Slate Hobie Revolution 13
    Hidden Oak Native Ultimate 12
    Lizard Lick Native Ultimate FX Pro

  • #2
    I went into kayaking wanting to paddle. I aways thought I didnt "need" a pedal drive. And for close to 8 years I've done just that. I went from stability first to faster sleeker kayaks as my fishing style changed and I paddle bigger bodys of water. By far my favorite is still the tarpon 160. But since getting a slayer propel 13 I see why people use them. The main complaint will always be the weight. So after getting a deal on a slayer 14.5 paddle kayak I sold my trusty tarpon for a more comfortable dry ride. I have tossed the idea of just going all pedal drive kayaks but I just dont see myself ever not wanting to just paddle. Plus I always feel better with the lower center of gravity the tarpon line gave me. I dont think I could ever see myself without some type of paddle craft.

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    • #3
      You guys don’t know me since I’m not a regular, but this post hits me. I’ve only been at it for about 7 years. Started out paddling an inflatable doing creeks, bought a used 2105 Revo in 2016 and took off.

      Mark – You’re killing me with your philosophical insight. I guess I’m into my I-95 phase of my yaking. I’m just driven right now to go yak some places I’ve been with the boat. I haven’t reached your Zen level of relaxing yet. I’ll assume I will be there at some point.

      I’ve had great success on the last 3 weekend trips of 10.04 miles, 15.86 miles, and 12.25 miles. See attached pic’s from my Strava app. I freaking love this free app.

      Why do I think I may turn back to paddle? Each trip I try to end by paddling back for a stretch, I have no electronics (And don’t plan on adding them), and I don’t consider motorized to be true yaking. Just will not read or watch any yak stuff related to motorized alterations. Thanks, Dave

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      • #4
        I have a well used Outback. Got it used, and have continued to use it as often as possible. I use the pedals, as often as the paddle. I can paddle faster than I can peddle it...but not for nearly as long. I love having the option. I fish quite a bit of skinny water, so the pedals are often pushed to the extreme so they stay flat...but getting to the skinny water I want to fish, often is a long pedal...I do a lot of stand up paddling too...especially when looking for snakeheads and bass in heavy cover...so the paddle is a must. For me, it isn't one or the other...I also have a small john boat that is set up like a small bass boat...but it is often neglected, as the kayak is more relaxing. The whole self propulsion thing is very satisfying...no fuel, no mechanical parts to leave me stranded..unless I suffer a breakdown...but actively paddling/pedaling goes a long way to self maintenance in that regard. I do however love having the fish finder...knowing where the holes and drop offs are is very helpful...enjoying the outdoors, getting some exercise is all well and good...but actually catching brings it all together.
        Hobie Outback
        Stand Up Paddle Board
        Pelican 100

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        • #5
          The first 25 years I fished out of a canoe in rivers. Lots of paddling and where I fished pedals wouldn’t work. Moved down to the slower lower and went with the pedals. Now that I’ve replaced both shoulders I can’t imagine paddling for hours. Clearly those who pedal a Revo haven’t pedaled a PA, we move more like a semi climbing a gradual grade and you don’t want to be behind us on 95. The price of all that room.

          I got into canoeing and kayaking because I wanted some physical activity and appreciated the stealth they brought to the picture. I love being able to hear everything around me, the electric motors have a low volume hum that I personally find bothersome.

          If I reach the physical point I can’t pedal I’d go a Jon boat and a gas motor, cheaper and more room than our kayaks.
          Mike
          Pro Angler 14 "The Grand Wazoo"

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          • #6
            Concerning boats, I have the best of three worlds. First off, I have a 2000 16' Scout center console boat that I can keep in my garage at home. I can take up to two other anglers and have a range of at least 40 to 50 miles. It does not use much gas and can be trailered with a 6-cylinder minivan. It allows me to fish in bigger waters and to cover lots of ground.

            As a member of Native Watercraft's Pro team, I can get any of their boats at a discounted price. Many other Pro Team members get new kayaks often. I have an 11' Manta Ray 11 paddle kayak and a 10' Slayer Propel 10 pedal kayak both of which are several years old. Like Mark, I find that I use my paddle kayak many times more often than the pedal kayak. The only time I use the pedal kayak is when I am intentionally doing a trolling trip. I still troll often from my paddle kayak, but typically I combine some trolling with casting on those outings.

            With my large body, I would probably be more comfortable in a larger kayak while on the water. But for me the convenience of owning a lightweight kayak that can slide into the rear of my minivan is worth the slight inconvenience on the water.

            For the foreseeable future, my kayaks will use only human power to get around, and unless I develop shoulder problems, more and more of those trips will be in my lightweight paddle kayak.
            John Veil
            Annapolis
            Native Watercraft Manta Ray 11, Falcon 11

            Author - "Fishing in the Comfort Zone" , "Fishing Road Trip - 2019", "My Fishing Life: Two Years to Remember", and "The Way I Like to Fish -- A Kayak Angler's Guide to Shallow Water, Light Tackle Fishing"

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            • #7
              Paddle only for me so far. I can see how a pedal drive would increase my range. Would like a used pedal drive kayak one day. Saving for retirement right now. Will eventually get a gas engine boat for when I retire in the OBX.

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              • #8
                I started out as a canoeist. In my early twenties, I was a canoeing instructor trainer.....I certified instructors for the Red Cross.

                Fishing from a paddled canoe was a natural for me. I bought an Old Town Camper from Joe Bruce's son in 1991 (Joe's original fly shop was in the back).

                But the ravages of time, four knee surgeries, and two shoulder surgeries have limited my options. I would be confined to tiny local ponds if restricted to paddling only.
                Pedaling is a no-go, I even had to give up biking.....knees couldn't take the strain.

                So motor it is.

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                • #9
                  Paddle only for me too so far. In fact, I've yet to even sit in or try out a pedal kayak. I know they have their advantages and there have been times when I've been fishing and thought to myself that this would probably be a whole lot easier right now if I was in a pedal kayak. But those times I wish I had one really haven't outweighed the need to have it. I've never felt like my paddle kayak has ever held me back in where I want to fish, how I want to fish, or how far I want to go, within reason.

                  When it come down to it, cost is probably the biggest factor for me when entertaining the idea of owning a pedal kayak.
                  Brian

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                  • #10
                    For me it boils down to do I want to spend my time getting there or do I want to spend my time fishing. Fishing is why I am on the water primarily so ditching the paddle for a peddle drive made way more sense. I loved my Perception Angler paddle yak but my Hobie Pro Angler absolutely destroys the Perception in terms of average fish caught per trip. It is more stable, as fast, I can move and cast at the same time, position easily, etc... etc... Paddling can be fun, good exercise, and "part of the challenge" as stated but given limited time to fish my #1 priority is get to where the fish are and then spend as much time as possible catching and trying to catch them. If you that is your priority too then ditching the paddle is a no brainer and frankly the "fun/challenge" part really isn't lost. You still get a pretty good leg workout and your view never changes. Only thing that really changes is the number of fish you will catch.

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                    • #11
                      I have paddled kayaks and canoes for over 40 years. When I bought a fishing kayak, about 10 years ago, I still paddled until my arthritis started getting worse. I still paddle as much as I can but I have mounted trolling motors on both yaks just in case. I just finished two months of PT due to rotator cuff issues so I haven't be out for a while. I decided not to push it as it takes longer to heal the older I get. I didn't let it stop me from surf fishing a month ago but I was only using a light sinker and wasn't throwing hard. Next season I will be back on the water paddling and motoring.
                      John


                      Ocean Kayak Trident 13 Angler (Sand)
                      MK Endura Max 55 backup power
                      Vibe Skipjack 90

                      Graduate of the University of the Republic of South Vietnam, class of 1972

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                      • #12
                        I’ve had a paddle kayak only so far, mostly due to costs. I don’t feel like it’s held me back at all, and I have always had similar success to others I’ve fished with who were in pedal kayaks. I do think a pedal drive kayak is in my future at some point, but I certainly don’t mind paddling.
                        Joe

                        2020 Vibe Shearwater 125

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                        • #13
                          The one bad thing I saw after responding to this post is A LOT of the good paddling kayaks made for distance are being discontinued. The tarpon 140, 160. Thresher 140,155. The jackson cuda 14 and kracken line of kayaks. While the trident 15 and prowler 13 stay in ocean kayaks line-up are we now shifting to a trend in wider 12' kayaks? It seems to be woth more people shifting to pedal kayaks that we are seeing less and less offerings of more touring long distance sit on top kayaks.

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                          • #14
                            All,

                            Thank you for your thoughtful comments to this thread.

                            The variety of responses shows that there are kayaks for each of our interests and preferred methods of fishing.

                            kidrockfish -- Your comment about my Zen state of mind gave me a big chuckle. But frankly, it's true. My paddle trips are far more relaxing than my pedal outings.

                            FishMoken -- I concur with your observation about the expanding girth of fishing kayaks. I think that stems from the manufacturers' desires to address the matter of stability to those new to the hobby. That's commonly the foremost concern of anglers contemplating entry into the world of kayak fishing. We see it on this forum often when folks seeking advice on boats question the stability of a particular model and often mention their desire to stand while fishing.

                            In fact, I see that Jackson released a barebones fishing kayak called "Bite" at 11.5 feet that has a beam of 35 inches. The fact that it's a basic SOT paddle boat is a good thing in my opinion. It will introduce more people to the hobby at a lower price than many new boats. However, its beam is about 6 inches wider than my Revo and 4 inches wider than my Ultimate. Having ample experience with those two models and realizing their primary and secondary stability is very good and propelling them through the water is so easy, I wondered immediately why Jackson didn't produce a longer and slimmer paddle boat. Paddling a slow boat with marginal tracking, as I suspect the Bite is, would be a deterrent to my enjoyment on the water.

                            Anyway, thanks again to all who commented.
                            Mark
                            Pasadena, MD


                            Slate Hobie Revolution 13
                            Hidden Oak Native Ultimate 12
                            Lizard Lick Native Ultimate FX Pro

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                            • #15
                              Taking a trip to the Dark Side while keeping the foot in the door. Pedal, paddle, and motor:
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