Stay at Home Order: Fishing Thoughts...?

[Big Mike]

Dang I’m confused as hell. I guess this is what happens when stuff is rolled out quickly. Sounds like we’re good to go.

[Slackdaddy]

"Game on" !!

Dang I’m confused as hell. I guess this is what happens when stuff is rolled out quickly. Sounds like we’re good to go.

[mi327]

Paragraph #4

This is directly from DNR: https://news.maryland.gov/dnr/2020/0...at-home-order/

Yak67
2017 Hobie PA-12 Camo
2019 Hobie Outback

Thank you for posting that link it says that it is an exercise activity and allowed and is on the official DNR website. I would take that as the final word, if you want to CYA print that page and have it with you when you go out.

[ronaultmtd]

Except some County governments (St. Mary’s) have closed all boat ramps and parks to boating...only allowing commercial fishermen with valid licenses...

[john from md]

You need to read onto them from the good book. Exercise is encouraged and kayaking is healthy exercise.

[xtian996]

Well I retract. It appears we can go out. Thanks for sharing that link.

[mi327]

I am wondering how charters boat will work since they are allowed but required to follow social distancing guidelines? A six pack charter with with a captain and mate even on a decent sized boat it will be hard to maintain the required 6 feet of distance for everyone.

[ronaultmtd]

Same as going to a grocery store...they can’t...Try your best but you pays your money, you takes your chance...is it worth the gamble to catch fish for “subsistence” use? According to CDC prediction our death rate will quadruple in the next six days...this is the movie “Contagion” for real...

[bignose]

Another question for the charters: If you have a 2 Striped Bass per person limit and a "no recreational fishing" decree, does this mean that if you limit out, do have to immediately stop fishing, or start fishing for something else that you can keep, i.e. Perch?

I do know that the DNR is insisting of accurate record keeping as to catch.........

I can't see the DNR citing anglers for not maintaining enough personal space on the boat...but from my time as first mate, I sure as hell don't want to be on a boat with a bunch of COVID-19 carriers.


And then I wonder (too much time on my hands to think) would I really get cited for Catch and Release fishing for carp at a local private pond?

[rugbyfish]

I’m not sure I understand the reasoning behind allowing the charter boats to continue operating. What does it mean to be considered part of the “food supply chain?”

[john from md]

I’m not sure I understand the reasoning behind allowing the charter boats to continue operating. What does it mean to be considered part of the “food supply chain?”

Somebody catches the commercial guys and cooks them up in a pot?

[DonV]

Same as going to a grocery store...they can’t...Try your best but you pays your money, you takes your chance...is it worth the gamble to catch fish for “subsistence” use? According to CDC prediction our death rate will quadruple in the next six days...this is the movie “Contagion” for real...

Not quite. The last thing we need is more panic or hysteria. The death rate will not quadruple, deaths may quadruple but the rate is dropping. There may be more deaths as more people are catching it but the death rate is actually dropping below 1% and that is about four or five times more deadly than than seasonal flu but not world ending. Keep in mind that that average rate is still bad and when broken down by age the rate for the elderly is quite bad.

We have already been though a similar experience but it just seemed to get much less hype which is a bit strange as it was hitting even the young and healthy and we had kindergartners dropping over that were well only moments before. No emergency measures were called for until eight moths into the H1N1 pandemic

2009 (H1N1) flu pandemicBack in 2009, a new type of flu — an H1N1 strain — popped up and people panicked because we didn’t have a vaccine and the novel strain was spreading fast.


Like COVID-19, there was no immunity at the start of the outbreak. We did have antivirals to facilitate recovery, and by the end of 2009, we had a vaccine which — combined with higher levels of immunity — would provide protection in future flu seasons.


Still, it claimed over 12,000 lives in the United States.


Key symptoms: fever, chills, cough, body aches
First detection: January 2009 in Mexico; April 2009Trusted Source in United States
Global cases: about 24 percent of global population; 60.8 million U.S. cases
Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
Most affected groups: children had the highest rates; 47 percentTrusted Source of children between 5 and 19 developed symptoms compared to 11 percent of people ages 65 and up
Treatment available: antiviralsTrusted Source (oseltamivir and zanamivir); most people recovered without complications
Vaccine available: H1N1 vaccine research started April 2009 and a vaccine became available December 2009
End of pandemic: August 2010

There are much more deadly things going on everyday that we all partake in and put others in danger of them. Going out with the sniffles during flu season or packing up the truck to take a kayak trip can also can kill your fellow man. Millions of these deaths happen unnoticed and we don't have this kind of panic. Millions die and our system handles it well. There are morgues and tractor trailers full of bodies everyday.

This is great for some context.
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/03/3...s-perspective/

Just like just about everyone else in the country, we are sitting in our homes under orders from our state governments, with little to do but follow coronavirus statistics. And they look fearsome.

There are almost 140,000 active cases of COVID-19 in the United States. Nearly 20,000 new cases were reported on Sunday alone. The death toll in the U.S. is now close to 3,000 — with more than 2,000 of them occurring in just the past week.

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that the death toll could reach 200,000. Another model says 82,000 will likely die, with daily deaths peaking in mid-April at more than 2,000. By comparison, the last pandemic — the so-called swine flu — claimed 18,000 lives.

Over the weekend, President Donald Trump said he’s extending the federal government’s “social distancing” guidelines through April. In Virginia, Gov. Ralph Northam announced a “stay at home” order through June 10. School systems are starting to consider whether they will even be able to open in the fall.

It’s unprecedented, to be sure. But the problem with all the numbers being bandied about is that they lack any context.

On its own, 3,000 fatalities might seem like a tremendously large number. But that’s before you learn that an average of 7,700 people die in the U.S. every single day. Which means that over the past week, when the coronavirus took 2,000 lives, nearly 54,000 people died from other causes.

As a service to readers, here are recent annual deaths from other causes, many of which go largely unnoticed year by year, but most of which are preventable. (The data are compiled from the National Center for Health Statistics, the National Safety Council, and other sources.)


1,900: strep throat
3,000: food poisoning
5,000: choking
6,946: accidental hanging
7,450: pedestrians hit by a car
7,740: obesity
12,316: pregnancy-related
20,108: inflammation resulting from food or liquids getting into the lungs
35,000: antibiotic-resistant bacteria
35,823: alcohol-induced deaths
36,336: falls
40,922: blood poisoning resulting from bacteria
47,173: suicide
55,672: flu and pneumonia
64,795: accidental poisoning
83,564: diabetes
121,404: Alzheimer’s
160,201: chronic lower respiratory disease
169,936: all accidental deaths
250,000: medical errors
599,108: cancer
647,457: heart disease

Then there are all the scary stories about hospitalizations and how the health care system will be overwhelmed. Here, too, there’s no context.

According to the American Hospital Association, there were more than 36 million hospital admissions in 2018. So, on an average day, hospitals across the country admit more than 98,000 patients.

In that year, there were 139 million emergency room visits. That’s more than 380,000 a day.

Of course, a local area can be overwhelmed by a sudden influx of patients needing hospital care. But it will take a lot more than the predicted course of the coronavirus outbreak to overwhelm a health care system that successfully deals in volumes like this on a daily basis.

There’s another bit of context to consider when it comes to how the country responds to this outbreak. The focus has been almost entirely on how to save lives by limiting exposure to the coronavirus.

But every one of these actions will have second-order effects. Some good. Some bad. The highway death toll will no doubt drop sharply during the months the economy is shut down. Workplace fatalities will decline as workers are sidelined. No children will die walking to school.

There’s the other side of the coin to consider, though. Stress, for example, is known to be major factor in six of the leading causes of death in the country. Work-related stress alone is believed to cause 120,000 deaths each year. As people see their savings disappear, their businesses shutter, their lives turned upside down, stress will increase phenomenally. And that will ultimately lead to more stress-related deaths.

Depending on how deadly the coronavirus actually turns out to be — and at the moment we have no idea — the cure could truly be worse than the disease.

Let’s be clear, we are not suggesting that the coronavirus isn’t a serious threat, requiring extraordinary measures. And we understand that deaths due to a lifetime of bad health habits are different from a death sentence that people can pass on to each other.

But in any situation, context matters. Unfortunately, that’s the one thing missing from the 24/7 coverage of the coronavirus pandemic.

[Rocky]

Hey there, healthcare worker here just offering another perspective. Any resistance to subdue kayak fishing is probably more of an effort to curb potentially ‘avoidable’ traumas’ rather than deny you exercise or a necessary reprieve from quarantine. Maybe, consider the ‘what if something unfortunate happens’ scenario. Similar to the ‘please only drive if you have to’ mandate. IF you have an accident, rescuers have to respond. IF you get injured, you might require medical attention, in which case you might have to go to the hospital and risk exposure to a potentially more serious situation. Also, first responders and ER nurses have to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) during traumas until results come back to the contrary. If you feel as though you can do so safely, I wish you nothing but tight lines and PBs!

[DonV]

Hey there, healthcare worker here just offering another perspective. Any resistance to subdue kayak fishing is probably more of an effort to curb potentially ‘avoidable’ traumas’ rather than deny you exercise or a necessary reprieve from quarantine. Maybe, consider the ‘what if something unfortunate happens’ scenario. Similar to the ‘please only drive if you have to’ mandate. IF you have an accident, rescuers have to respond. IF you get injured, you might require medical attention, in which case you might have to go to the hospital and risk exposure to a potentially more serious situation. Also, first responders and ER nurses have to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) during traumas until results come back to the contrary. If you feel as though you can do so safely, I wish you nothing but tight lines and PBs!

Your theory does make some sense but I think you are stretching a bit to find some rhyme or reason to some of the arbitrariness and silliness that these shutdowns orders have. It's not just kayak fishing it is all fishing unless for subsistence and that will be determined by the mood of whoever is in a position to ticket or enforce the quite fluid rules. It's seems to be a disjointed mess and what is often being done at one end ignores much larger possible dangers at the other end. It's being enforced much as it makes me sad to say like laws are enforced in general. Where real problems lie they are ignored and where it's easy to harangue and bully the average law abiding taxpayer they get all up in your face and are ready to toss you in jail for the silliest things.

With the fact that well over 430,000 people have come in direct on flights from from China with no screenings after the virus had already made its showing and tens of thousands still are still going back and forth with sketchy screenings makes the effort to stop a guy bank or kayak fishing alone just seem obscene and unjust. The same for someone that wants to visit a loved one at the Veterans Cemetery, place where social distancing is almost the norm just as much fishing is. There is a ugly whiff of politics and other agendas underlying the whole mess. We are starting to see some real bad cases of heavy handedness targeted at some and other possibly more dangerous situations are ignored all across the country. We have a father and daughter alone surrounded by six unmasked officers and the father actually arrested. We have a cop on a bus with no mask issuing orders that all bus riders are to have masked and they we have said cop and numerous others many without masks get into a physical confrontation with a citizen over the orders. This doesn't make sense unless you understand how politics, paranoia, authoritarianism, hysteria, bureaucracies and petty power trips work.

Not trying to minimize this quite serious bug but would like to keep it in perspective and feel that there are many overreactions and much hysteria. Recently heard a doctor in NY on Cspan say that they are having patients that require surgery for cancer being pushed months out the surgery dates with the panic and turmoil at the hospitals gearing up for the Wuhan virus. He stated it is something he had not seen in his whole career not even through 9/11. This is a quite deadly big but so is cancer and many other things accidental and just from bad luck. If it is happening there that means other Americans are going to be missing out on treatment, surgeries, procedures and tests that if not done will cause a significant increase in deaths. Those people will also be part of the death statistics for the year.

[MD Dore]

Hey there, healthcare worker here just offering another perspective. Any resistance to subdue kayak fishing is probably more of an effort to curb potentially ‘avoidable’ traumas’ rather than deny you exercise or a necessary reprieve from quarantine. Maybe, consider the ‘what if something unfortunate happens’ scenario. Similar to the ‘please only drive if you have to’ mandate. IF you have an accident, rescuers have to respond. IF you get injured, you might require medical attention, in which case you might have to go to the hospital and risk exposure to a potentially more serious situation. Also, first responders and ER nurses have to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) during traumas until results come back to the contrary. If you feel as though you can do so safely, I wish you nothing but tight lines and PBs!

Thanks for your perspective, Rocky, and for the efforts of you and your fellow healthcare workers.

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