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    I have been using an Alberto knot to tie my braid to fluor leader. Three times I have had the knot fail while casting topwater plugs. I am using 15 pound power pro and am using 20lb XPS fluoro leader. I have never had the knot fail on a fish but it has failed when casting. It seems like the knot is hitting my eyes and just blowing apart. I just sat down to learn how to tie the FG knot but I don't have a PhD. in mechanical engineering. What am I doing wrong?
    Tarpon 120, no electronics, no pedals.
    Tarpon 100, the karma boat.

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    I recently started tiring the FG as well. The key for me, besides tension on the braid was to pull the mono out (away) from the wrap side after each wrap. This keeps the knot from wrapping on itself and it will end up being the thin knot you are looking for. The first time I tied it I didn't do that and it turned out horrible. I also found that for thinner lines like 8 or 10 pound test that 30 wraps vice 20 were needed to make the knot stronger. Hope you can make it work because it really is a nice knot when done.
    Mike
    Pro Angler 14 "The Grand Wazoo"

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    • #3
      Learn how to tie uni. Simple and will work fine for what you want to do. Should not need anything more complicated unless you are targeting trophy fish and only want the absolute strongest.

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      • #4
        if the diameter is anywhere close to the same, use a blood knot. That's the knot I use to build tapered leaders for fly fishing.
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        • #5
          I always have used uni
          Ryan
          Blue 2016 Hobie Outback
          Chesapeake Bay Kayak Anglers, Inc

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          • #6
            Jt knot works really well and is very small, it will go through the guides without problem. Look for it on you tube. Pay close attention to how you pull it tight. If you pull it tight incorrectly it will slip out. Great knot. Also I have the knot wars app on my phone that shows you how to tie many good knots.

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            • #7
              Why not just use a lower test mono instead of Braid? Using Braid for LONG distance casting has its advantages but for our use from a kayak the casting distances with the proper and comparable LBS test are negligible.

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              • #8
                I tie a blood knot often when I fly fish but I am not sure that is a good knot for going braid to fluoro?
                Tarpon 120, no electronics, no pedals.
                Tarpon 100, the karma boat.

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                • #9
                  How do I reply to someones comment? That comment above was for cowpokey. I hit reply with quotes and ended up in the middle of your last comment. Secondly, how do you tie a uni when attaching braid to fluoro? I thought that was a terminal tackle knot. And lastly, scoreioreno, I don't think I can ever go back to mono after using braid. No twist, no stretch.....
                  Tarpon 120, no electronics, no pedals.
                  Tarpon 100, the karma boat.

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                  • #10
                    I've run into the same problem with the knot interfering with the cast. Try tying your knot of choice and keep the knot just outside of the tip .Basically treating it as if it were terminal tackle or you could tie straight to the lure or clip.

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                    • #11
                      I use the double uni. I find it easier to tie than the blood knot, which I've used in the past for fly fishing.

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                      • #12
                        I use the Alberto when light tackle fishing. 20lb braid to 15lb mono leader. My leader is long enough that I have 2 - 3 wraps on the reel when I go to cast and I've never had any issues of it breaking while casting before. If I don't clip the mono tag end snug with nail clippers I'll sometimes hear/feel the knot hitting the guides on a cast. That's odd that you're having failures so readily, and only when casting

                        When I use heavier a heavier leader, say 50lb mono, for bigger fish or areas with lots of abrasion, I usually tie the knot so it's outside my guides when casting. With the heavier leader the knot really slaps the guides on the way out.
                        Brian

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Slobber Bob View Post
                          I use the Alberto when light tackle fishing. 20lb braid to 15lb mono leader. My leader is long enough that I have 2 - 3 wraps on the reel when I go to cast and I've never had any issues of it breaking while casting before. If I don't clip the mono tag end snug with nail clippers I'll sometimes hear/feel the knot hitting the guides on a cast. That's odd that you're having failures so readily, and only when casting

                          When I use heavier a heavier leader, say 50lb mono, for bigger fish or areas with lots of abrasion, I usually tie the knot so it's outside my guides when casting. With the heavier leader the knot really slaps the guides on the way out.
                          I hope I am tying the Alberto correctly. I used the tutorial on www.netknots.com to learn how to tie it. Maybe I need a refresher course.
                          Tarpon 120, no electronics, no pedals.
                          Tarpon 100, the karma boat.

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                          • #14
                            I've used other ones in the past but have really come to like the Albright knot. Easy to learn, holds up great. Sure you do have one come undone on a rare occasion but that can happy with any knot

                            Blue is mono or flouro
                            John Hostalka

                            Delaware Paddlesports and
                            Hobie Fishing team member

                            2018 Camo Hobie Outback
                            2015 Hobie Outback

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Backdoc View Post
                              I hope I am tying the Alberto correctly. I used the tutorial on www.netknots.com to learn how to tie it. Maybe I need a refresher course.
                              Yeah, that's what I do. I don't know? I guess practice a little more and see how it goes. The albright is simple and effective too.
                              Brian

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